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Tom's avatar

I feel like you don't take your own emotions or your self worth into account at all.

I really dont see how donating all your money is a utilitarian thing. By doing that you destroy yourself. That is far away from effective atruism. You are generating money right now and to keep generating it you need to take care of yourself. Donating everything is not doing that.

I am not sure if the cases you offer are too simplistic to draw any insight from them. What purpose does Loyalty have here? I can only imagine that people who are loyal want loyalty in return. It is some sort of power play.

In that sense i really don't understand scenario 2. What friend asks such a thing? What an incredible burden they gave! It really depends on their reasoning. Such wishes dont come from thin air. They jave meaning attached to them. This case lacks any meaning at all. What is loyalty without meaning?

Anyway: I would not agree to that wish in the first place

Case3: Depending on what my friend does, it could be that this has a positive effect on me as well. Anyways, this is again such a decision that is kinda detached from reality. How did that other person came to know it? And why does that person has the right to ask such a favor? How are you even able to properly estimate the utlity a random person has. They could be pretending. At least more likly than your friend.

One way out would be to let those 2 people discuss it themselves. Let them decide.

Case1: I would make the best possible truthfull statement i can make.

case 4: I think the immoral thing here is that i am able to decide it. Both decisions are immoral. The moral decision for me would be to discuss this with the other party.

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Matthew Ritter's avatar

Try as we might to simulate it, our actual brains are not singular agents. So of course we have a loyalty module, and it is going to generate discomfort regardless of which philosophy your philosophical/system 2 module has decided on. It doesn’t really mean a failure of the philosophy to encompass enough, just that we live in a complicated world with complicated brains

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